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Had lunch with [livejournal.com profile] rivier yesterday, sadly cut short by my need to get back to work for supervision (and thus sadly also booze-free for me and booze-lite for [livejournal.com profile] rivier) where she again tried in a futile manner to persuade me I needed to join the big shiny fandom of suckitude.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

Date: 2005-08-16 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivier.livejournal.com
And then there are the retarded fan authors like me, who just like the whole show and don't feel overly concerned that it isn't bloody Dostoyevsky. But then again, where's this wonderful academically impeccable fandom that I seem to have missed?

Eh, back to the silly fluffy candytuft crackporn I go.

Date: 2005-08-16 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graculus.livejournal.com
Time to up the meds again, dearie? ;)

That or the crackporn is making you jumpy at the moment, one or the other... poor Colleen is *never* satisfied (are you, love?), so don't you get your knickers knotted over imagined slights to the shinyness.

Date: 2005-08-16 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivier.livejournal.com
Hmm. Why anyone would want to smother themselves in what they perceive as dross is beyond my understanding.

Date: 2005-08-16 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graculus.livejournal.com
Hello? You're talking to people where one of their fandoms has a major character dancing with a gorilla as part of their canon. Top that, Bridge boys!

Date: 2005-08-16 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blktauna.livejournal.com
Ha! Sweeney only has Eric and Ernie & the occasional Transvestite stripper!
:P

Date: 2005-08-16 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graculus.livejournal.com
Working actors have no shame, eh? ;)

Date: 2005-08-17 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blktauna.livejournal.com
heh, what is this word to which you refer?

Date: 2005-08-17 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katyabaturinsky.livejournal.com
Yeah, not so much -- well, I'm often satisfied with the fic (really, some of it is amazing); but the show itself, no. But then again, I'd be lost without something to whinge on about, so I should just enjoy the opportunities presented, really.

I tell you, it's so much easier when dealing with dead fandoms. No waiting on tenterhooks every week, wondering if your canon is going to lift you to the heights of joy or piss all over you...the tension is killing me. ;)

Date: 2005-08-17 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katyabaturinsky.livejournal.com
Well. There was certainly no insult meant, though clearly much was taken. And you may not care to hear this, given that it is coming from me, but you are one of the many, many smart SGA fanfic authors to whom I was referring. Which would be why I am in this fandom in the first place -- because the fic is so compelling, entertaining, beautifully written, and, often, downright hot. I happen to like a lot of the "silly fluffy candytuft crackporn"; I also like much of the not-so-silly, yet equally brilliant, fic in SGA, and I am very pleased (and thankful) that so many talented authors are writing all of it so well.

I am glad that you are enjoying the show so much, and I think most of the members of the fandom would agree with you wholeheartedly. Obviously I would not count myself among that group, but then again, I have never liked any of the source material in my fandoms as much as I like the fic that it inspires. I can understand the enjoyment of SGA just fine from a fannish perspective; the banter and bickering between the characters is a lot of fun, the acting is generally terrific, and there are often wonderful moments in the eps that provide great material for fanfic. (Plus, I'm pretty shallow, and would basically be happy to watch David Hewlett reading aloud from the phone book.) But on a non-fannish level, I am bothered by the show's plot holes, gaps in logic, lack of originality, and inconsistency between the episodes; enough so that it ruins my overall appreciation of the show itself.

Personally I'm damned glad SGA is not bloody Dostoevsky, as I always thought he was a bit of a pretentious bore. And I have no doubt that, were I ever unfortunate enough to encounter such a creature as a "wonderful academically impeccable fandom," it would be equally unbearable. However, I don't think that I'm necessarily committing some terrible fannish faux pas when I wish for tighter, smarter, more interesting and original scripts from my fannish shows, and then express dissatisfaction when I am disappointed. I don't believe that SGA is complete dross, or I wouldn't bother watching; but I do think it could be, and is capable of being, much, much better. (Just as a start, canonical variations of [livejournal.com profile] minnow1212's Necessary Things, [livejournal.com profile] troyswann's Owl Eyes, [livejournal.com profile] auburnnothenna's The Taste of Apples, and your Exigencies would do quite nicely.)

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